More Power to Brussels?: Germany Considers Holding EU Referendum

[sysop]

Chancellor Angela Merkel wants Europe to move toward an ever closer union in a bid to solve the euro crisis. But she is already pushing at the limits of what is possible under the constitution. The debate about holding a referendum on transferring power to Brussels is gathering momentum in Germany.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...849441,00.html

[yiannaki]

To my opnion Europe should start asking itself about 'how' it is operating today. And when not doing that the result of every referendum concerning Europe will be a 'no'. Because the European citizens are really sick of the road Europe did take this far. And they do not see their politicians did and do understand that. So it's free shooting for the populists.

Concerning the 'how', clear is that the euro-project started with two different cultural and by that economic denominators. We ignored that !
And by helping them now we try to force the South Europeans to accept the North European economic and by that cultural denominator.
It won't work this way. These change will take 25 years or 2 generations at least. When they want to !!!!!
So it's better to stop this full time crisis road.
And ask the european citizens whether they still want the euro this way with this full time crisis road or should we better stop, turn around and take better road. A road that gives every country time to make their culture and economy euro proof. If they want to.
I think I do know the answer of such a referendum.

So we better stop pushing today's 'what' and do start discussing tomorrows 'how'.

[marc512]

Merkel will have a surprise in this referendum, because as far as I can see, almost everyone around me is against more transfers and against debt union and all that.

Bring on the referendum!

[titus_norberto]

The tyranny of the acronyms, UK, USSR, EU, USA, et al, all disguise the fact that are anonymously ruled by entertainers and involve wars.

The acronym "USA" is not extent of blood, since these obscure and anonymous organizations need blood to grow, take for instance USA and the Secession War, a bloody confrontation for economic reasons:

1- the South wanted to maintain the black slave trade to produce their commodities;

2- the industrial North regarded CHEAPER salaried "slaves" for the factories far important, remember that we were at the height of the Industrial Revolution (see Dickens and his character, Fagan, training and using orphans as thieves), perhaps the southerner slaves lived better than the "free people" sweating in the dirty factories or mines at that time.

Or take for instance the UK, in 1668, a DUTCH invasion fleet (dubbed the "Glorious Revolution" or, as I prefer, "The Inglorious Invasion") composed by more than 400 vessels invaded, while the local entertainers managed to neutralize both English army and fleet to the point that not a shot was fired..., they allowed the DUTCH landing in the MOTHERLAND at will as done with the Persians in Babylon.

Once the UK was built, immediately another aggregation was created, the British EMPORIUM was invented using bribes, betrayal, stock listed companies such as South Sea Company, drug dealing (Opium), and black slave trade, the origin of modern RACISM.

The UK meant the destruction of Scotland, Ireland and the Welsh as free nations which, curiously, are regaining their sovereignty (a natural counter EU phenomenon) as we speak (2012).

There is no need to cite the crimes against humanity committed in the late USSR for the sake of the acronym...

Thus, acronyms cannot succeed without BLOOD (past behaviour is a good predictor of present one, a well-established psychological principle), and the EU, luckily have none yet.

Acronyms create more acronyms by aggregation, the aim of a bunch of well coordinated weasels is to rule the world through corruption and MONEY (usury).

Perhaps the best solution is to step back, do not force the union since it will require blood without any benefits.

A loose community of NATIONS based on two principles:

1- sovereignty;

2- jurisdiction

Is a far better approach, rather than a secretive, obscure, plutocratic (as the criminal Council of Ten in Venice) managed by COMMISSARS with no national or religious allegiance and only accountability to their secret paymasters, a government which will be managed Behind the Scenes through MONEY to worship Mammon, the Beast...

Norberto

[sylvesterthecat]

Do you really think that all EU countries will stand aside and wait for Germany alone to decide the direction that Europe will go? Isn't it obvious that every EU country will want a say on further integration?

It will be interesting to speculate on the results that comes out of a Europe wide referendum. While the lure of money will possibly produce a 'yes' vote in the southern states, will the northern states,including Germany who will be expected to provide the money, vote 'yes' or 'no'?

Any combination or permutation of states accepting or rejecting further integration is possible. Apart from exhortation from Brussels to accept further integration, there is little anyone can do. Trying to manipulate the result in any other way would be tantamount to herding cats.

The only predictable result would be that the UK would vote 'no' and would consequently leave the EU.