Israel and Palestine: Who Will Deliver Peace in the Middle East?

[Abe_Bird]

Most of the Anti Israel criticism is a result of a deep anti-Semitism .

Originally Posted by Abe_Bird

Most of the Anti Israel criticism is a result of a deep anti-Semitism .

That's what they say, but look at it from my perspective as a gentile-American: There are these people, who might as well be Uzbeks as far as I'm concerned, and they live in a land I have never been to. They imagine that they will give birth to a messiah in the near future and think that the rest of human-beings are like chattel, and that they are God's chosen people, who gave the gentile-animals to them, like so much livestock, to do whatever they want to. The fact that they continually want to draw the nation I live into, as well as Germany and others, into an endless war, doesn't improve their image. I, a generally peaceful person, ask you this: why should I care what happens to Israel, period? Wont you merely draw the more corrupt elements of the USA into a World War 3? The whole thing smacks of elitism. The fact that many Jews in Israel are unemployed and actually riot against the Israel government doesn't help you either. Do you really think money is all-powerful?

[MyBlackHen]

..the town of Jaffa was robbed and sacked of it's gentle pastures and beautiful harbor by the British Protectorate.They handed it to the Zionists as a smoothing gift of human kindness after the bankers of England, deeply wealthy in their pockets after the war, could conjugate in the parlor society of London, the bunch of twerps they where, a landing of pleasant country to Jews who had avasted in numbers from the war, and as a convenience of imagination, construing a happy number of the Palestinian folk and all their productivity into the ground by destroying the happy company of Jews and Palestinian orange growers, a vast seasonal employ and a contrite landscape of mixed and gentle company, including Jewish residents.. and eventually the Zionists destruction of miles of planted industrial Jaffa growing landscape which they proved unable to water and in eventuality had to destroy themselves.The British finished Jaffa by pushing the elderly Palestinian into the seas of their own harbors quite literally and deported Palestinian residents in boats with violent threats and by destroying their buildings and segregating the trade of Jaffa orange farmers until the Zionists would take parlor fans into their own "rich" ideas for survival and confiscate the Jaffa trade which you and I may have paid for in our lifetime.Their ideas where as a result of the rich and powerful ineptness and inadequacy and enterprise of the common thief..the upper class of Britain, who to this day, with the help of the common people have never apologized to anyone for being more than inept compared to the trading of sea-men long before they served the Royal Mud and ruin of their crown all over the sea world.I hope they feel bad with British News..it was sad to see on Al Jazeera, an old documentary film interviewing the remaining residents of Jaffa, fragrant fair and happy , a town harbor which provided generously with seasonal wealth and with the combined wealth of Palestinian farmers of the Jaffa orange, a peace for the world to behold as well as the British pushing Palestinians unable to defend themselves into their very own sea to drown, off their own harbors where they had for years lived upon and depended.

[mrjgoodyear]

The sympathy at the time was, as it still is, with the Jews because of the 1940-1944 outrages. Today similar sympathies are being applied across Europe to the plight of poor European states,( enlisted into the European Union for the purpose of increased trade with Germany and not the rest. This has back fired and showing up in the Debt crisis, unsolvable by Berlin alone), by allowing mass migration to the wealthy states where, they the migrants, will pick the bones of their hosts dry, before returning to a home land much improved by European cash; also provided by these same host nations. This same model exists for African, Middle Eastern, and Asian states. These policies will never create peace in the Middle East or elsewhere. State and/or Country are still territorial issues enraged by beliefs, and sponsored by greed, and so back to 1940-1944. In 1945 it was never envisaged that the 'hawkish' nature of their politicians would so soon forget what it was like on the other side of the fence. Hence their treatment of the Gaza Palestinians who shall not be permitted to respond, much as they didn't.

[vernony]

There are signs that the Arab states, which were militarily something of a push-over in previous Arab-Israelie wars are somewhat better trained and motivated than they were in the past.

In the event of a conflict it would almost certainly bring in Egypt, Syria, Jordan,Lebenon and Iran at a distance.

What we must remind ourselves of is that Israel is a nuclear armed state. If it were to win a normal conflict against the combined Arab states, that will not be an equation to worry about. However, in a scenario where Israel looks set to lose at the very least one envisages that they will threaten Nuclear strikes if their enemies do not withdraw. In the long run, this would lead to Arab nations seeking their own nuclear weapons. At the very worst Israel will feel forced to use its nuclear bombs. This would probably bring Iran into a missile war with Israel and American and UK troops moving into Iraq in an attempt to intercept them.

This is by no means a skirmish, it is a quite dangerous situation

[lkuznick]

Hey, fella, if the world would pay less attention to Israel and the Jews, things would be a lot better. And we might start with you. So many other places with serious problems that nobody, undoubtedly including you, don't especially care about. Take Israel off the front page and put it with Mali or whatever somewhere else, and you won't have anymore problem
And, by way, do you have any facts about Israel itself? Massive unemployment! do you know what you are talking about? Israel has one of the highest standards of living in the world, people continue to come for a better life. Sudanese flee from horrors inflicted upon them by their Moslem neighbors, trek for weeks across Egypt and Sinai, to get to the promised land. And they are not Jews. You might make a trip there to open your ideas and get past the hatred that is part of your DNA.

[lkuznick]

Delusional!

[poshbanter]

It is appalling how the label of "anti-Semitism" is so often used in attempts to deflect criticism of Israel. It's a lazy disingenuous slur. There is no right of self defence in illegally occupied land, so whatever the Israeli government thinks it's doing, it is not self defence. Their best defence is to withdraw to their recognised borders, and to constructively engage with their enemies..
The announcement of building further settlements should be denounced. Agreeing to disagree is pathetically weak.

Today's Germany is not the Germany of the Nazis. Today's Germans are not responsible for Nazi crimes. Why look away now when your conscience must tell you to speak out, when you can see that vulnerable people in refugee camps are being persecuted? It's shameful. If the legacy of the Nazi era is to leave those, to whom the rest of Europe now looks to offer a political lead, capitulating when faced with a moral dilemma, hamstrung by a sense of inherited guilt, then ethnic cleansing has a bright future. And the Chancellor will bear responsibilty for the consequences of "agreeing to disagree" with this regime

[ochreface]

I agree...

And I can't help wondering if I am even allowed to add my opinion without being automatically labelled as anti-Semitic too. It seems that only pro Israel opinions are permissible in the eyes of some, those persons who are the self appointed guardians of 'truth'.
Israel is allowed to do whatever it wants, with impunity. Others aren't allowed the same freedoms, even in speech. It is ridiculous. I would venture to suggest that Israel is it's own worst enemy. I am not anti-Israeli. I am not anti-Palestinian either. But because this comment may not be a pro-Israeli one, I must also then be a racist? Unfortunately the truth speaks for itself, and Israel can't look at itself in the mirror when it wakes up in the morning...

[hrsinger1]

It goes without saying that criticizing Israel is not in and of itself anti-Semitic, however when Germans criticize Israel, it is most frequently anti-Semitic. This is because Germans so frequently hear antisemitism in their social circles that they have lost the ability to distinguish between that which is anti-Semitic and that which is not anti-Semitic. For example, comparing Israel to Nazi Germany is not anti-Semitic if you also compare other countries to Nazi Germany. But we almost never hear any other countries being compared to Nazi Germany. Comparing Israeli leaders to Hitler is not anti-Semitic if you compare other countries' leaders to Hitler. But we never hear such a comparison. Thus, antisemitism is both endemic to Germany and Germans hear antisemitism so frequently that they do not recognize it when they hear it. And Germans criticizing Israel frequently drifts into the realm of antisemitism. Ask why if you find yourself criticizing Israel, you are not also criticizing 60,000 deaths in Syria? And if you criticize Israel and ignore Syria, you are almost certainly an anti-Semite.