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walter00378 · 04.05.2010, 12:05

Connected to the topic. Who is the real Chosen People.
See the movie; see the 14-minutes journey to the Germans mind:
http://www.dailymotion.pl/video/xd69...eople_creation

xtrnlobsrvr · 09.05.2010, 23:26

German people achieve glorious memories for their numerous contributions to modern humanity. Examples of national unity have thrived trough several periods in history, including critical moments when threatens obeying external interests had to be neutralized.

Long ago another epic battle took place (WW II) into the human biography, nevertheless, it is pretended to keep Germany holding heavy burdens under edifications such as �Topographie des Terrors� �how long are you guys going to be blamed for?

Saludos,
H.V.

Insulaner · 10.05.2010, 21:29

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Originally Posted by xtrnlobsrvr

German people achieve glorious memories for their numerous contributions to modern humanity. Examples of national unity have thrived trough several periods in history, including critical moments when threatens obeying external interests had to be neutralized.

Long ago another epic battle took place (WW II) into the human biography, nevertheless, it is pretended to keep Germany holding heavy burdens under edifications such as �Topographie des Terrors� �how long are you guys going to be blamed for?

Saludos,
H.V.

Hehe, we Germans love our image of being seen as highly cultivated. Maybe you need to be highly cultivated to organise an indutrialised mass murder as the nazis did....

WWII is not so long ago, there are still many survivors alive. Far too early to forget, don't you think so too? And who would have to be blamed if not the Germans?

Regards
Insulaner
PS.: I think the nazi-era should not be forgotten,it should serve as a warning....

khan_USA · 31.05.2010, 21:59

Germans should move past holocaust guilt. They owe it to the world. World needs German intellect to create a balance. German's inability to be critical of Israeli excesses in Palestine is one of the main reason why Israel gets with most serious violations of international law and very disproportionate response. Israel today stands at the top of crimes against humanity and 80 Million Germans are always silent. German angst is understandable but it is not good for the world.

Insulaner · 01.06.2010, 21:06

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Originally Posted by khan_USA

Germans should move past holocaust guilt. They owe it to the world. World needs German intellect to create a balance. German's inability to be critical of Israeli excesses in Palestine is one of the main reason why Israel gets with most serious violations of international law and very disproportionate response. Israel today stands at the top of crimes against humanity and 80 Million Germans are always silent. German angst is understandable but it is not good for the world.

Is the German intellect anything special? The image of a special German itellect is not more than a fairy tale in my eyes. Of course we Germans love to be seen as intellectuals, but that is not the reality.
Regarding Israel: Given the special historic connection between Israel Germany should not be the main critic for Israel.
It is funny to read your post, because here often Germans are accused of criticising others and forgetting to mention their own crimes.
And no, Germans should not forget about their past. That could keep them from making the same mistakes again.
Regards
Insulaner

I_am_king · 15.07.2010, 16:11

As soon as Germany adopts a new social/diplomatic direction on "forgetting the past and moving forward" with great stride and pride... then all the "forget the guilt critics" would become "you should remember and honor critics"....

point being, Several Germans are correct: its not only that it should not be forgotten within Europe (as it wasnt Germany alone responsible for the Holocaust)... but the World at large should not forget what highly civilized, industrial, intellectual societies can easily do or be persuaded to their fellow man.

Unfortunately, it still goes on in several parts of the world, but perhaps not as it would have if not this hard lesson in history learned.

Inglenda2 · 04.07.2011, 22:45

Once again the holocaust is haunting Germany and now it is a British citizen who is being hunted down. May I remind readers, that although the British Government had a running agreement with the Zionists, it was Ben-Gurion (who commanded the Haganah), Yitzhak Shamir (who commanded the Stern Gang), and Menachem Begin (who commanded the Irgun Gang). All of these criminal groups joined forces, to pursue a war of terror against the British forces in Palestine.
For this reason, it is not surprising, when some older Britons, who lived through in pre- and post- WW2 years, are not ready to give credence to everything Jews say.
Most of what we have learnt to believe however, comes to us by means of hearsay. Only our own experiences can we know to be wholly true, everything else is passed on and in the process, there is always the risk of manipulation.
In view of this situation, we may not agree with those historians, authors, scientists, and now of late, Bishop Williamson, when doubts are expressed about certain aspects of the so-called Holocaust, but can this really be treated as a crime?
Thousands of Britons - soldiers and civilians - lost their lives because of the war against Hitler's Germany. This was not just a war to destroy a competitor on the world markets, but also one of ideology. The right to freedom of thought and the freedom of speech was one of the major differences between democracy and dictatorship.
Can it be, that despite the millions of Germans who died in the fighting, during the deportations that followed and the illegal confiscation of a fifth of its territories by Russia and Poland, nothing has been learnt?
Bishop Williamson has been and is being tried by a German court, which has the audacity to judge a British citizen for having an own opinion and using his right to express a point of view. These are the very basic rights for which so many people have lost their lives. We may not agree with what he says, but as long as it is clearly a personal opinion and not stated as a matter of fact, he has every right to say what he thinks. A doubt is not a denial! ( Some journalists and television moderators obviously do know enough about the English language to notice the difference).
It would seem also, that in the Bundes Republic, the well meant laws, against racial hatred, are being deliberately misused for political purposes.

didigermany · 06.01.2012, 09:48

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Originally Posted by Insulaner

Is the German intellect anything special? The image of a special German intellect is not more than a fairy tale in my eyes. Of course we Germans love to be seen as intellectuals, but that is not the reality.
Regarding Israel: Given the special historic connection between Israel Germany should not be the main critic for Israel.
It is funny to read your post, because here often Germans are accused of criticising others and forgetting to mention their own crimes.
And no, Germans should not forget about their past. That could keep them from making the same mistakes again.
Regards

Ich liebe Versteher! Die haben immer solch ausgewogene intellektuelle Beitraege und wollen gerne dafuer gelobt werden.

rrbanks · 15.01.2012, 01:23

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Originally Posted by didigermany

Ich liebe Versteher! Die haben immer solch ausgewogene intellektuelle Beitraege und wollen gerne dafuer gelobt werden.

GERMANY WILL ALWAYS BE GERMANY....what a pity!!!!!

Dwight44 · 16.07.2012, 21:18

Is this a coincidence?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_Trade_Treaty

Or is Germany a cynical puppet of the Pentagon, spitting in the UN's face?

04.05.2010, 12:05	#641
walter00378 Join Date: 04.05.2010 Posts: 1	Germans the Chosen People Connected to the topic. Who is the real Chosen People. See the movie; see the 14-minutes journey to the Germans mind: http://www.dailymotion.pl/video/xd69...eople_creation

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xtrnlobsrvr Join Date: 09.05.2010 Posts: 1	Glorious memories German people achieve glorious memories for their numerous contributions to modern humanity. Examples of national unity have thrived trough several periods in history, including critical moments when threatens obeying external interests had to be neutralized. Long ago another epic battle took place (WW II) into the human biography, nevertheless, it is pretended to keep Germany holding heavy burdens under edifications such as �Topographie des Terrors� �how long are you guys going to be blamed for? Saludos, H.V.

31.05.2010, 21:59	#644
khan_USA Join Date: 31.05.2010 Posts: 2	Germany and the Holocaust: The Fatal Past Germans should move past holocaust guilt. They owe it to the world. World needs German intellect to create a balance. German's inability to be critical of Israeli excesses in Palestine is one of the main reason why Israel gets with most serious violations of international law and very disproportionate response. Israel today stands at the top of crimes against humanity and 80 Million Germans are always silent. German angst is understandable but it is not good for the world.

04.07.2011, 22:45	#647
Inglenda2 New User Join Date: 31.08.2010 Posts: 101	Germany and the Holocaust Once again the holocaust is haunting Germany and now it is a British citizen who is being hunted down. May I remind readers, that although the British Government had a running agreement with the Zionists, it was Ben-Gurion (who commanded the Haganah), Yitzhak Shamir (who commanded the Stern Gang), and Menachem Begin (who commanded the Irgun Gang). All of these criminal groups joined forces, to pursue a war of terror against the British forces in Palestine. For this reason, it is not surprising, when some older Britons, who lived through in pre- and post- WW2 years, are not ready to give credence to everything Jews say. Most of what we have learnt to believe however, comes to us by means of hearsay. Only our own experiences can we know to be wholly true, everything else is passed on and in the process, there is always the risk of manipulation. In view of this situation, we may not agree with those historians, authors, scientists, and now of late, Bishop Williamson, when doubts are expressed about certain aspects of the so-called Holocaust, but can this really be treated as a crime? Thousands of Britons - soldiers and civilians - lost their lives because of the war against Hitler's Germany. This was not just a war to destroy a competitor on the world markets, but also one of ideology. The right to freedom of thought and the freedom of speech was one of the major differences between democracy and dictatorship. Can it be, that despite the millions of Germans who died in the fighting, during the deportations that followed and the illegal confiscation of a fifth of its territories by Russia and Poland, nothing has been learnt? Bishop Williamson has been and is being tried by a German court, which has the audacity to judge a British citizen for having an own opinion and using his right to express a point of view. These are the very basic rights for which so many people have lost their lives. We may not agree with what he says, but as long as it is clearly a personal opinion and not stated as a matter of fact, he has every right to say what he thinks. A doubt is not a denial! ( Some journalists and television moderators obviously do know enough about the English language to notice the difference). It would seem also, that in the Bundes Republic, the well meant laws, against racial hatred, are being deliberately misused for political purposes.

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I_am_king New User Join Date: 15.07.2010 Posts: 7	As soon as Germany adopts a new social/diplomatic direction on "forgetting the past and moving forward" with great stride and pride... then all the "forget the guilt critics" would become "you should remember and honor critics".... point being, Several Germans are correct: its not only that it should not be forgotten within Europe (as it wasnt Germany alone responsible for the Holocaust)... but the World at large should not forget what highly civilized, industrial, intellectual societies can easily do or be persuaded to their fellow man. Unfortunately, it still goes on in several parts of the world, but perhaps not as it would have if not this hard lesson in history learned.